Right, but you only know that because I told you that. One of the problems I see in this type of discussion is that it discourages transparency. Other people will read your reply and think, “Ok, people will like my stuff if I hide that I used an LLM, but if I tell them then I’ll be derided.” That black and white thinking pushes an unspoken narrative that the only way to succeed with an LLM is to hide its use.
If I’d copied the meter and rhyme scheme of an existing song, which is how people learn anyway, would that have been more artistic? I’ve written songs from scratch before, plucking them out on my guitar and writing them down. I personally think your outrage rings hollow. I get the impression if I’d used a Google search instead you wouldn’t me so judgmental. It’s about the tool for you and using it is black and white bad for you it appears.
Sure. I have a set of 32 gel ink pens I use for inking drawings. I’m in control of the lines I draw, but I am not in control of what the colors look like. Those were chosen by Papermate. I have to make a decision of color based on the options available to me. I can’t mix colors like I can when I paint.
Yup. I mentioned before I made a bunch of humorous Fallout ad songs. I like jazz, and I started re-playing Fallout 4, so I started making new music to listen to for fun. It was good enough and I enjoyed it. I put time into the lyrics because they amused me, and it was a way to play with Suno. The bossa nova song took a while and was made with the help of my music producer brother. He was able to get things out of the tool that I could not. And so his experience, knowledge, and everything that made hi, him, allowed him to get a result that I could not get out of the tool.
Again, your rejection seems more moral than experiential. Which is fine.
You clearly do not know how a song on Suno is made. You seem to believe it’s the same as a ChatGPT prompt. And I get the impression that you don’t want to be dissuaded from this opinion, which is fine. It come with two editing suites, you can pull stems, remix, and download the songs for editing in Audacity or other programs. (Which I have done with some songs.)
The fact that you’ve said it’s generic and soulless indicates to me that you haven’t actually listened to any of the songs I’ve posted. (Supported by the fact that the forum shows me a count of the number of people who have visited the links and no one has clicked on them.) Instead, you seem to have made a decision and are arguing from the decision you already made, as opposed to being open to examining your beliefs.
So, I don’t know that the words I say are really for you, they’re just for other people reading our discussion.
Ok. I used to make games from scratch, including writing drivers in C++. Tools like Godot make it too easy for ignorant people who aren’t real programmers to make games. They aren’t real engineers. If they had real architectural vision, they would make it all from scratch. Like for real. Instead, they make sloppily programmed balls of spaghetti code. The fact that they sell these games, or that people like them does not make them real games.
Then again, if people like something and it has value to them, what do I know?
As a side note, it irritates the crap out of me that you keep calling LLMs “AI”. Calling LLMs “AI” is a marketing term, and the fact that you are buying into it is really frustrating from a technical perspective. LLMs are not Artificial Intelligence. LLMs are spicy random content generators. Which honestly, is a better argument for what you’re trying to say than calling them “AI”.
In psychology, that’s called “projection”. You project your own thoughts or motivations onto other people without understanding what’s going on in their mind. You’re welcome to whatever world view that makes you happy, but assuming everyone is motivated the same as you seems a bit myopic IMO.
Interesting argument. But what if they were created by an LLM and you didn’t know it . . . and couldn’t tell?
As for no one being responsible for it, all that data the LLM harvested was art that someone created. Most likely it was illegally harvested. (Though we will have to see what the courts decide.) Sure, it’s being squirt out through an LLM tube into something else, but there is real art in the DNA. You cannot make something from nothing.
What is promising is the landmark case where a US court ruled that LLM-generated content could not be copyrighted because it was not made by a human. It’ll be interesting to see if future decisions become more nuanced. In that case, the guy did just write a prompt and create slop. But he was also doing this thing, including the lawsuit, as an experiement.
Yes, but I also realize that. However lots of people feel that prompt creation is an artistic form of expression. And while I get where you’re coming from, I wonder if in a generation if many people will feel that way.
Ok, but this discussion is only happening because I admitted to using AI, and described my use in great detail. While I get what you’re saying, there are lots of people out there who do not have the same world view.
This article is an interesting read on the affect AI influencers are having on the multi-billion dollar creator/influencer economy. This article talks about how future generations might view their relationship to truth.
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